Tuesday, July 7, 2015

Millennia of ATHEISTian debates



I think Doug’s purpose & strategy is to Debunk the Power that traditional religions Still Hold over people.  He’s trying to get people to REALIZE what kind of a “God” they are worshipping. 

Again & again this pointless, useless, endless cycle of debating what an allegedly fictional character in an alleged novel is “REALLY” like?!? This pointless, useless, endless cycle of debating has been going-on LITERALLY for thousands of years. Does any sane person really think that a few more arguments will now resolve the whole issue? REALLY?!? Don’t y’all see that it’s pointless, useless, endless? Both scientifically-UNPROVABLE, faith-based, religious-doctrine extremists will just continue their pointless, useless, endless debates ad-nauseam (Latin term for a discussion that has continued so long that it has continued to the point of nausea). How many more time do I need to quote this:

“You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”― R. Buckminster Fuller

SHOW ME THE TANGIBLE that ATHEISTians have built as a group, that is constructive, positive, HAPPY, edifying, socially-redeeming. Enough already of pointless, useless, endless debates. No, don’t point out some achiever who built something constructive on his own, who just happens to misinformedly label himself an Atheist. Show me what Atheist societies have built. Show me some great thing built that has the Atheist emblem on it and a plaque that this GREAT achievement was built by
Unified-Atheist-League,
Allied-Atheist-Alliance, or
United-Atheist-Alliance.
FOR-SCIENCE-SAKE, build something; build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete, and FOR-SCIENCE-SAKE, stop pointless, useless, endless debates pitifully trying to prove that extremist, scientifically-UNPROVABLE, faith-based, religious-doctrine of ATHEISTianity (which is no better than theism).
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He’s speaking in Their belief systems—trying to REASON with them.  He’s trying to break through the brainwashing of acceptance of such a “God”—stating that a “God” who is so egotistical is not worthy of their worship.  He’s trying to get them to question their unquestioning beliefs. 

FOR-SCIENCE-SAKE, why?? Yes, WHY?? Why “try to get them to question their unquestioning beliefs”??
“To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”― R. Buckminster Fuller
... and the wise ones will see it & come over.
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Traditional evangelicals base everything on the Assumption that “God” exists. 

And just how is it better that traditional ATHEISTians “base everything on the assumption that God [doesn’t] exist”. Neither ASSUMPTION is SCIENTIFICALLY-provable. So I say, both extremists should shut the f_ _k up until some truly, scientificly-verifiable evidence can be presented, and instead of fighting this theist-Atheist Crusade-Jihad, focus on non-issue, Naturalist-Nontheist, building of communities of courteous-cooperation.
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So; he’s stating that such a “God” would not be worthy of their worship—because an egomaniacal “God” is not a loving “God”—but a “God” who has a psychological sickness:  Ego. 

“Show me someone w/o an ego, and I’ll show you a loser”.—Donald Trump
Yes, I proudly quote The-Donald. While others just blow hot-air with no MEASURABLE evidence that they know what they are talking about, for 40 yrs he has been providing livelihood for people willing to work; 22,450 employees at present. I hold a double Master’s (psych & religions). What psychological degrees of qualifications does the writer have to pontificate about the ego? Everyone thinks they can tell a neurosurgeon how surgery on the brain should be done. And what economic evidence does the writer have that proves that they are equal or superior to The-Donald in benefiting 22,450+ workers willing to work? Are they listed among the Forbes-400?
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Someone who is healthy emotionally & psychologically does not have an ego problem.  They are not “insanely” jealous, for example.

And ATHEISTians are known world-wide as exhibiting “healthy emotional psychology”?
Certain theist groups may be very deluded, but they have world-wide reputations for being extremely honest to deal with. Why don’t ATHEISTians AS A GROUP, have such a reputation? Why have they proven themselves in history as being blood-thirsty Jihad-Inquisitors?
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Sunday, July 5, 2015

ATHEISTianity = religious-doctrine



Vindawg Vinnie wrote 4Jul2015:
“So since some clergy "start atheist churches",
then Atheism is yet another religion with a doctrine.
Merriam-Webster dictionary defines it as
not just not-believing but an active:
"DISbelief in existence of deity, DOCTRINE that there is no deity". ............................................. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
atheism | noun | \ˈā-thē-ˌi-zəm\ | MERRIAM-WEBSTER.COM
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Catherine Giordano wrote 4Jul2015:
“You have to put the word "church" in quotes when you say "atheist church".
It is just a place to go on Sunday morning
to hear an [sic] secular inspirational message and be with friends.
There is no dogma, no official theology.
It is a secular church; not a relgion [sic].
Religion requires belief in a deity.”
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My qualifications to debate about the non-issue conflict between theists & Atheists:
1~B.A. degree in theology Magna-Cum-Laude (with-high-honors) from a fully accredited college which has since elevated to university status,
2~double Master’s degree, one side of which is in Religions from a fully accredited theological seminary (other side is in psychology from a fully accredited graduate school),
3~Mensa membership (top-2%-IQ-society),
4~Intertel membership (top 1%-IQ-society).
I’d like to hear the qualifications of anyone who wishes to joust with me on this non-issue topic which happens to be in the area of my expertise.
If the topic was neurosurgery or rocket-science, how can someone not schooled in those disciplines try to assert themselves as an expert more knowledgeable than those who have post-graduate degrees in those disciplines? Who would let someone who hasn’t been to neurosurgery school, perform surgery on their brain? Would you let an experienced master carpenter operate on your brain?
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Understand this clearly: I am not a theist nor am I defending theists or theism. I see theism as the extremist right ditch, as Atheism is the extremist left ditch. This extremist right & left is not linear but circular, so that the further one goes toward the right or left extremism, eventually one ends-up at the bottom of this circle in the close statist, dictatorial, Inquisition-like, Islamo-Fascist-like, Soviet-like, Juche-like neighborhood of non-Freethought.

In frequenting meetings across the whole spectrum of human belief systems (from theist to Atheist), I have discovered that humanity is bipolar. Humans tend to polarize towards one side or another of an issue. My professional opinion is that Robert Anton Wilson is very correct in his observation that:
"Most think that everybody must believe something or other, that if one is not a theist, one must be an atheist, if one does not have blind faith in X, one must alternatively believe in reverse of X. I have a suspicion that belief may be the death of intelligence." - Robert Anton Wilson.

I was planning to attend your Sunday-Assembly up in Orlando. I dared to express on Sunday-Assembly FB-profile a FREEthought I had as a naturist-nontheist and was vehemently & repeatedly attacked & insulted by one of your members to the point that I had to block him. He had a fanatical devotion to Atheism and wanted to browbeat me into accepting Atheism into my heart to be my savior. That just confirmed my previous experiences that Atheists are as fanatical for their extremist, scientifically-unprovable, faith-based religious-dogma of ATHEISTianity (i.e., Atheism) as are theists about theirs.
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I agree that the word “church” basically means “congregation, gathering”.

However, I must disagree with the statement that Atheist meetings are an opportunity to “hear inspirational messages”. In my lengthy career of frequenting many, various Atheist meetings, I found that the vast majority of them focus on ridiculing theists, encouraging each other to dis-believe in god, plan action to remove god from society and fight theists. If your particular group is above all that, congratulations, but the fact still remains that most Atheist meetings & groups are as I described – fermenting dissatisfaction with theists without building anything constructive as an alternative.
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
— Buckminster Fuller
I don’t see the majority of Atheists building a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Majority are trying to change things by fighting the existing reality.

An exception to that is the Atheist-paradise they built behind the Iron-Curtain.
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?!?-“There is no dogma, no official theology.”-?!?

People have enough of a challenge communicating without making-up own definitions for words. I must insist that in debating with me, dictionary definitions be used as the standard for what words mean, and not inventing own definitions out of thin air just because someone may wish that a certain word would mean this or that. If that is not agreed upon, this discussion is over, for I would just be wasting my time with meanings of words not supported by dictionary.

In the thesaurus, dogma = doctrine. Those 2 words are synonyms of the 1st degree, and we have already seen above that Atheism is defined by Merriam-Webster dictionary as a DOCTRINE. So yes, THERE IS DOGMA in Atheism since Atheism is a DOCTRINE. Also, there most certainly is an official theology in Atheism – a theology of “DISbelief in existence of deity”. The word “theology” is a combination of theo=god + logy=study, and since Atheism has a very definite ideology=idea-study that god(s) do(es) not exist -- “DISbelief in existence of deity”, it is very much a dogma-doctrine taking the official theological position promoting the “DISbelief in existence of deity”, a scientifically-unprovable, faith-based religious-doctrine just like its opposite theism.


Full Definition of UNBELIEF:
SKEPTICISM esp. in matters of religious faith

Full Definition of DISBELIEF:
act of REJECTION of something as untrue

So if someone is simply an unbeliever, they are just skeptical freethought agnostics, not believing unless & until something is proven to them.
On the other hand, if someone is actively rejecting something as untrue, without scientific-proof, closed-mindedly holding-onto the faith-based religious-dogma of definite-rejection, “DISbelief in existence of deity”, that would be the definition of an Atheist.
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?!?-“It is a secular church; not a relgion [sic].
Religion requires belief in a deity.”-?!?

Actually the basic definition of “religion” comes from Latin and means “banding-together.” It does not, indeed, “require belief in a deity”. Though unfortunately, some subsequent sects have re-introduced some gods, there are a number of religions which do not “require belief in a deity”:
~Buddhism (esp humanist SGI-Nichiren-Buddhism),
~humanist Unitarian-Universalism,
~humanist NewThought-Science-of-Mind,
~humanist Jainism,
~quantumist Taoism,
~humanist Confucianism,
~humanist Raelism.

Just like
Catholicism,
Hinduism,
Judaism,
Lutheranism,
Muhammadanism,
are denominations of theism, so are
Communism,
HoChiMinhism,
Jucheism
Leninism,
Maoism,
denominations of Atheism. And just how did all those play out? How nicely did any of these play with others once they got control of political power? When driving somewhere on a highway, is it better to fall into the left ditch or the right ditch? Personally I prefer to stay out of both ditches safely on the multi-lane highway of naturalist-nontheism where the existence or non-existence of god(s) is a NON-ISSUE.

Saturday, June 20, 2015

World-Peace --> Cannibalism

It is a sad fact that most of this planet's economies are based upon their MIC (Military-Industrial-Complexes). In addition to overt military suppliers, there are many, MANY innocent-appearing companies which are indirectly part of this huge network of MIC. If "world-peace" (no more wars) would ever become a reality, there would be so many people out of work & so many companies out of business that there would be a world depression like never before - unmanageable famines, riots, looting, & even cannibalism (a zombie-apocalypse, world-war-Z). The unfortunate world economic cycle is expand-expand-expand until more expansion is unattainable & unsustainable, then put the military to work to destroy enough things & kill-off enough people to create the vacuum for the next cycle of economic expansion. The ONLY solution for a sustainable-world-peace is to build a world-wide system of PIC (Peace-Industrial-Complexes) which would out-compete the MIC in profit$. ................................... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EC7P5WdUko

Thursday, June 18, 2015

Don't kill

__ "Don't kill".—(Ex.20:13,Deut.5:17,Mat.19:18,Mrk.10:19,Koran.17:33).
Is it a "Hate-Crime" or non-“Hate-Crime”? Does it matter? "Don't kill".
Is it a murder that's White-on-Black or Black-on-White or Black-on-Black or White-on-White? Does it matter? "Don't kill".
Is it temporary or permanent insanity? Does it matter? "Don't kill".
Is it avenging real or imaginary injustices? Does it matter? "Don't kill".
Is it for a cause? Does it matter? "Don't kill".
Is it cops on civilians or civilians on cops? Does it matter? "Don't kill".

__ Oh but it’s sooooo important to remove this simple code of conduct from all public places & schools until our young grow-up with no clue what’s right & what’s wrong any more. Killing video-games (Postal2, Grand-Theft-Auto3, Manhunt) are their teachers of morality. Yes, the 1st-tablet deals with religion and does NOT belong in public places, but the 2nd-tablet deals with basic courtesies of human interactions and therefore DOES belong in all public places & schools. People fight about whether god hates homosexuals (as if anyone talked-it-over with god), or whether condoms are a sin, or how PRECISELY animals are to be slaughtered & butchered, but when it comes to this simple point of conduct, “Don’t kill”, clergy fight tooth-&-nail preaching that, that law was “nailed to the cross” and no longer applies?!? What insane BS!

__ I indict all clergy (of all faiths) as a whole for doing a piss-poor job of teaching the whole society this very, VERY simple point of conduct = “Don't kill". All they do is preach-to-the-choir from week-to-week to collect their paychecks w/o causing any waves, preaching lullabies about “sky-cake” to enjoy after death in the bye-&-bye, or frightening the gullible about hell if they don’t contribute enough. And then police have to deal with the failures of the clergy.

__ It’s not about “punishment”, but just like individuals, society has the right to defend itself from murderers, and do whatever it takes to ensure that murderers could NEVER-AGAIN escape or in any other way have a chance again to murder anyone, regardless of their reasons, or backgrounds, or insanity, or upbringing, or their parents’ spankings, or whatever. Zero-tolerance for any murder for any reason.

Sunday, June 14, 2015

Trans-race people ought-to be free as well

Transgenders (transgender-people) 
ought-to be free 
to express their sexual-orientation. 
Likewise, 
transracials (transrace-people
e.g., Rachel Dolezal
ought-to be free
to express their racial-orientation.

Thursday, June 11, 2015

What heals or kills a patient

What heals or kills a patient is the unfakable, deep-down, subconscious belief in the treatment which directs the pineal-gland of that patient. We can bring together 30 patients with same diagnosis & same age, treat 10 by a shaman, 10 by a conventional MD, & 10 by Adam Carolla pretending to be an MD, and the results will be that some from each group will heal and some will not according to their unfakable, deep-down, subconscious belief in the treatment which directs each patient's pineal-gland.

Thursday, June 4, 2015

Clergy failing at their job

  • Vin Mason I blame, accuse, indict, & hold culpable all CLERGY (incl ATHEISTian "clergy") for failing miserably at teaching people how to live HAPPILY & practice COURTESY.
  • Vin Mason Police have the job of forcing people externally to act appropriately in society. Their job would be so much easier if clergy would motivate people internally to voluntarily choose to act appropriately in society, instead of bickering about what precisely happens in heaven or hell after death, or what precisely God, angels or saints are invisibly doing right now, or what exactly God looks like or thinks about Gays or female-pastors, or anyone else some holier-than-thou dislikes. I am most probably the individual who has visited more churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, gurdwaras, etc. in 25+ countries, on most continents, than anyone alive, so I do know what most clergy are talking about. But regardless of what I think, INCREASING crime-statistics are the factual proof-positive that they are failing at their job.